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Ron Paul doesn’t get it.

April 15, 2010

Actually I don’t know if “doesn’t get it” is quite adequate, the level of unmitigated ignorance demonstrated in his speech/video “Imagine” (see bottom of this post for that video) reaches the level of either idiocy or evil, you make the call.

Paul compares our presence, presumably in Iraq and A-stan, though he refers to it as “military presence overseas” to the Chinese planting a base in Texas. And the Fassio-Islamic insurgency to an American militia rising up against aforementioned Chinese base. He calls it a matter of Sovereignty, basically a matter of our house our rules. And he does so on equal terms, giving each validation and equal moral footing with the other.

Now pardon me for proving Godwin right but that right there is a bit like comparing the German invasion of Poland in 1939 to the D-Day landings in 1945 and saying they are morally and ethically identical, and that we might just owe the Germans an apology for ruining their holiday in France. Its like saying both sides of the Revolutionary war were the good guys, that Sherman and Lee were morally equal, for crying out loud, he might as well have called Ho-Chi Minh  or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi George bloody Washington!

Its not now HOW your fighting, its WHAT your fighting FOR. The gods forsaken terrorists are fighting us, so that they can institute one of the worlds most oppressive, despotic, tyrannical and malevolent regimes in history wherever they happen to be. An American insurgency against the Chinese would be a campaign for individual liberty and freedom, to overthrow tyranny, do away with oppression and return us to the normal American way of life. I hate to break it to you, but the US forces overseas are not their to force American will onto a bunch of wogs. Were there to help them, to give the people a chance at liberty and freedom, one they wouldn’t have without us. WE are the good guys, THEY are the bad guys, when we make them dead, it is a good thing, even if it pisses more of them off.

A failure to be able to spot and note the difference, should preclude one from public office, and exhibits a massive moral or intellectual failing.

So what do I think? I think Paul’s an idiot, I don’t intend that to be mean, I just don’t think he is particularly evil, he just lacks the perception to differentiate good guys from bad guys.

Here’s the video apparently this is from March of last year. Oh well, I found it today:

8 Comments leave one →
  1. April 15, 2010 9:13 pm

    I guess maybe we should’ve asked if anybody wanted us to go over and give them freedom. That’s Paul’s issue I think. We shouldn’t bluntly charge into any nation we please under the guise of “helping them”. Terrorism is horrible. But terror is an idea. An evil idea, but it’s still just an idea. We can’t go fighting “evil” ideas all over the world just because we deem it “evil”. A war on “terror” is just as bad as a war on “crime” or a war on “drugs. You will never win. Never. The hearts of men are deceitful above all things and there will always be a bad guy to fight. Focus on safety. Prevention. But most of all, freedom. Remove restrictions on gun ownership. Only fools attack a nation who’s entire populace makes up an army.
    Another thing is that the we’re extremely selective in the “evil” we decide to fight. Middle Eastern “evil” is a profitable fight. There’s a lot of oil and resources up for grabs, but you don’t see us charging into Darfur to stop “evil” there. There’s no profit for stopping “evil” in Darfur.

  2. April 15, 2010 9:42 pm

    “No no STOP! I don’t want freedom! ewww get it away give me tyranny I want to be oppressed!”


    I agree with your point regarding the profitability of the middle east, however I think you might should consider how much more profitable it would have been to just deal with Saddam, and pay him for the oil rather than liberate Iraq THEN pay the Iraqis for the oil.

    Consider Mogadishu, Vietnam, Haiti, South Asia after the tsunami, Yugoslavia, and others

    We send our troops into harms way for millions of people all the time who don’t ask for nor can they repay us.

    I know people from and as far as I know currently in Sudan, that is a war that has been actively going on for well over 500 years, perhaps aside from the lack of profit, our government actually stumbled onto a wise decision that we couldn’t fix the problem there.

    We can’t fix every problem in the world, but we could, and had justification to in Iraq, and I pray shortly in Iran as well. Suicidal evil bastards with nukes are dangerous to everyone, and we can make them room temperature fast enough to avoid that problem.

    That’s all not really the point is it? Ron Paul just bloody well equivocated our troops liberating a nation from tyranny to invading Chinese coming to oppress and conquer, and American resistance to the invaders to the Taliban insurgents.

    Stupid or Evil? Your call man either way, it’s just creepy for someone who says that kinda dross to get any kind of support from the right at all.

  3. Bob D permalink
    April 15, 2010 10:22 pm

    Now I understand the “god guns and politics” title. You consider yourself a god. And that gives you the right to use guns to further your politics.

  4. Bob D permalink
    April 16, 2010 12:36 am

    Sure. All the standard ones. Iraq never posed a credible threat to us. We were lied into war with Iraq. We are killing more Iraqis, first with our 8 years of sanctions and fly-overs, then with our bombs and covered-ups than we are freeing. And Afganistan is a tribal or corrupt country where the Taliban tried to clean up the drug traffic Karz now trades in before we got there but now they all do drugs. And now the US supports the real credible threat to us there… the drug traffickers.

    And If it is a christian god you worship and not yourself you warship, I think the events around his “He who lives by the sword (in your case a gun) dies by the sword” statement speaks volumes about what Jesus expects of us. You will recall when Peter tried to defend Jesus from being taken, not only did he refuse Peter’s aid, but he rebuked Peter for his violence with the above statement.

    You use the slander of name calling me a troll. And you have the nerve call my pull-no-punches criticism slander? Get a dictonary.

    • April 16, 2010 7:20 am


      “Troll (Internet)
      In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion”

      Not calling names mate, just defining the players in the game.

      Here I’ll respond to your paragraphs separately then you and your posts as a whole, excepting the last which I dealt with above.
      Paragraph 1)
      While I think were doing something good, and justified in Iraq and A-stan, wogs are expendable in war, which means basically that some civilians are/should be acceptable collateral damage, that’s life on the pointy end.

      Paragraph 2)
      I take it then that you didn’t read the “about” page up there at the top.
      For the record, I’m extremely comfortable living and dieing by the sword or gun as the case may be, whatever keeps me and mine free.
      Your understanding of the nature of Christ and the nature of his interaction with Peter in the garden are lacking.
      Jesus told Peter to sheathe his sword not because he found the violence to be abhorrent, or it was a sin, Jesus was without blame and an armed scuffle with the palace guards would make that hard to bear out. And secondly Christ in the next verse says he could call upon more than 12 legions of angels to come to his aid, but he did not resist as his purpose was to serve as a sacrifice for all our sins, that whoever believes would be saved. Christ taught not pacifism but meekness, humility and forgiveness. Turn the other cheek has more to do with insults and bullying than it does theft, murder and tyranny.

      Anyhow Bob, I’m not gonna put up with asshattery or trolling on my blog, and you’ve had 2 shots at being civil. Insults and trolling comments from you will here on out be edited out by me… and replaced by text of my choosing. I welcome discussion and debate, even heated debate but opening with a obvious baiting comment is not kosher, nor is it “pull no punches criticism” its just being an internet douche.

      Have a nice day 🙂

  5. Bob D permalink
    April 16, 2010 7:32 pm

    Your hard hearted blowoff of innocent bystanders being slaughtered is reminissant of a suicide bomber – as is your willingness to give your own life for participation in the carnage. A terrorist (or crusader if you consider terrorist a slander) is as hard to reason with as an Iraqi insergent. So I see I am wasting my time. Except it is the Iraqi insergent who is fighting to free his own (country) from the crusader’s occupation.

    It is your understanding of Peter’s interaction that is lacking. If all Jesus were looking to teach Peter was that his rescue did not fit in the scheme of his mission, a simple refusal would have sufficed, not a rebuke.

    • April 16, 2010 9:28 pm

      Friend, its war, we as the good guys target the enemy, their soldiers, their weapons and their ability to make war. If we kill some civilians that’s too bad, but its acceptable collateral damage.
      Terrorists, and jihadi suicide bombers target with some very few exceptions, civilians. Willingness to die for your cause doesn’t make you stupid, or wrong, it simply makes you dedicated. And while I’m willing to, I’m not going to make it easy on you 🙂

      As for Peter, a simple denial of my argument and a statement of your opinion does not an argument make. Please try again.

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